{"id":5684,"date":"2013-05-13T21:48:47","date_gmt":"2013-05-14T02:48:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wholehealthchicago.com\/?p=5684"},"modified":"2022-03-21T14:59:11","modified_gmt":"2022-03-21T19:59:11","slug":"the-insanity-of-healthcare-pricing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wholehealthchicago.com\/blog\/2013\/05\/13\/the-insanity-of-healthcare-pricing","title":{"rendered":"The Insanity of Healthcare Pricing"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>It\u2019s hard to believe now, but about 50 years ago when you went shopping for a new car you simply had no idea how badly you were being stiffed by the dealer. Oh, sure, he might show you the invoice price from Detroit, but he\u2019d also routinely add hundreds of dollars for shipping, dealer prep (whatever that was), accessories, undercoating, and rustproofing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I clearly recall driving to a suburban dealership with my father and his being told that if he wanted the great price he\u2019d seen advertised, then the back seat in the four-door sedan would \u201cbe extra.\u201d And indeed, when we opened the rear door\u2026there was empty space. The seat had been removed and could be restored for an additional several hundred dollars.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As a result of this industry-wide chicanery, buyers would drag themselves from dealer to dealer, trying to find what seemed like the best deal. Car dealers ranked at the very bottom of public opinion polls.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Then, in 1958, Congress passed the Automobile Information Disclosure Act, which required car dealers to affix essential pricing information to the windows of every car sold in the US. Today, the sticker must include fuel economy, greenhouse gas emissions, and crash-test safety results. If that\u2019s not enough information for you, there\u2019s always Consumer Reports and numerous websites for price and quality comparisons. Although you\u2019ll still have to negotiate the value of your trade-in, at least you\u2019ll be buying a vehicle as an informed consumer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><b>Haggling over healthcare costs <\/b><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>When it comes to big-ticket items in health care, you\u2019re back in the 1950s trying to get the best price for a Buick Roadmaster.\u00a0 Most prospective patients don\u2019t bother to check, but were you to do so you\u2019d find it\u2019s very difficult to get anyone to commit to a price. That, and you never know for sure what add-ons are going to appear on your bill. If you comparison shop, the price ranges will make you shake your head in disbelief.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In fact, the old clich\u00e9 \u201cYou get what you pay for\u201d simply doesn\u2019t exist in healthcare. Data on quality, so readily available for big-ticket items like cars and washing machines, is virtually unavailable in health care. You\u2019ll be wheeled into an operating room, as World War II pilots used to say, on a wing and a prayer, not knowing for certain if your surgeon is the malpractice king of Illinois or has just been released from a rehab program and taking Valium to steady his hand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>These were the conclusions (though less dramatically stated) reached in a recent article published in <i>JAMA Internal Medicine<\/i> entitled simply <a href=\"https:\/\/archinte.jamanetwork.com\/article.aspx?articleid=1569848\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Availability of Consumer Prices From US Hospitals for a Common Surgical Procedure<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this study, researchers tried to find out how much a total hip replacement would cost an imaginary 62-year-old woman who had no insurance but did have the financial means to pay cash. They telephoned two groups of hospitals: 20 of America\u2019s top-ranked orthopedic hospitals (as rated by <i>U.S. News and World Report<\/i>) and a selection of randomly chosen hospitals, two in each of the 50 states plus Washington, DC.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><b>How much will it cost? <\/b><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Using a standardized interview script, a researcher (probably one Jaime Rosenthal, the medical student listed among the authors) would call the main number of the selected hospital and go through the same steps you yourself might encounter to get a price for a hip replacement. The authors were seeking what\u2019s called a \u201cbundled price,\u201d an all-inclusive dollar amount that covered both surgery and hospital costs. If a hospital couldn\u2019t supply a bundled price, separate calls were made to orthopedic surgery practices to obtain individual prices for surgery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This process must have been exhausting for the poor Jaime. At virtually every hospital or doctor\u2019s office phoned, there was confusion, suspicion, and unreturned voicemail messages. Each hospital would be contacted up to five times in an attempt to get pricing. If after five calls a price was not obtained, the hospital was tagged as being unable to provide one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The results?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><b>Of the 20 top-ranked hospitals, 12 (60%) were able to provide a bundled price<\/b> (hospital plus surgeon), although three of these 12 required getting separate estimates, one from the hospital, the other from an affiliated surgeon. Of the remaining eight, five provided some prices (usually hospital charges, but not surgical), and the last three hospitals could provide nothing.<\/li><li><b>Of the 102 random hospitals, 64 (63%) could provide a complete price estimate<\/b>, but only 10 (10%) were able to give the bundled price. The remaining 54 required separate phone calls (hospital first, surgeon second). 22 of the hospitals could provide only partial pricing and 16 (16%) could not provide pricing at all.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>By the way, the commonest reasons for being unable to provide a price were:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patient needed to see a physician first<br>Don\u2019t provide price estimates by phone<br>Have no way to provide such an estimate<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Imagine trying to comparison shop for a refrigerator this way.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I know you\u2019ll be curious about the prices. Among the top-ranked orthopedic hospitals, the average price for a total hip replacement was $53,140. The average price among the randomly selected hospitals was $41,666.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b>But what astonished even the researchers (and the author of an accompanying editorial) was the price range, which varied from a low of $11,100 to a shockingly high $125,798.<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Remember, these disparate costs are for precisely the same surgical procedure, performed by a board-certified orthopedic surgeon. Given the tenfold price spread for the same procedure, do you get what you pay for?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>With an expense like this&#8211;not to mention it\u2019s your body they\u2019re cutting open&#8211;it\u2019s reasonable to want some data, like rate of complications (infections, postoperative deaths, re-do rates) and facts about the surgeon (malpractice, state board complaints). But here again, there\u2019s virtually zero transparency, no way to find out if the low price you\u2019ve been quoted represents shoddy quality or a terrific value.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While you can readily find data to prove that you\u2019ll get a better car tire or house paint if you pay more, it\u2019s virtually impossible to verify that paying top dollar for surgery delivers better results. You may think (and hope) that a high price correlates to high quality, but that\u2019s wishful thinking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There\u2019s simply no data available to prove it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So listen up. No matter how you might bristle at the words \u201cgovernment regulation,\u201d sometimes someone has to step in and demand change. It wasn\u2019t the auto industry that voluntarily made our cars safer or protected us from the extra charge for the back seat. It was pressure from the feds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sadly, any pressure we might have exerted to control both the price and quality of health care has, via the Affordable Care Act, given the reins to the insurance industry, whose goal is not quality but bottom-line profits. Interestingly, the French health care system seems to have gotten it right. The price for every conceivable medical or surgical service is a fixed, fee-for-service amount, negotiated and mutually acceptable to both physicians and the government. Speaking as a physician, I would really like prompt payment of a haggle-free fixed reimbursement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A realistic solution to the quality issue may well be the judgment of the marketplace&#8211;namely, patients themselves. Think Angie\u2019s List (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.angieslist.com\/articles\/find-doctor-tips-choose-best.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">which does grade physicians<\/a>, and when I look over the list, the docs at the top are indeed good ones). With the insurance companies running the show, a \u201cbad\u201d physician is one, for example, who doesn\u2019t push generic statin drugs to get your cholesterol below 99. A \u201cgood\u201d physician is one who works fast and avoids sending patients to specialists.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Right now, however, if you\u2019re compelled to self-pay for a surgical procedure, pretend it\u2019s 1954 and start shopping around for the best deal you can find on that Buick Roadmaster. And prepare yourself for sticker shock.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Be well,<br><i>David Edelberg, MD<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It\u2019s hard to believe now, but about 50 years ago when you went shopping for a new car you simply had no idea how badly you were being stiffed by the dealer. 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